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		<title>Comment on Chapter 28/Week 28 by BTarr</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Jesus: loving, humble, serving. 
But it sounds like thunder when it declares the future of evil.
It can feel like a soft breeze when she visits.

The monastic teaching is that when a person goes beyond the mind in prayer then that person may encounter Wisdom directly. If not, then the teaching is to be wise and persevere in virtue and devotion, because sooner or later the pilgrim will meet God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Jesus: loving, humble, serving.<br />
But it sounds like thunder when it declares the future of evil.<br />
It can feel like a soft breeze when she visits.</p>
<p>The monastic teaching is that when a person goes beyond the mind in prayer then that person may encounter Wisdom directly. If not, then the teaching is to be wise and persevere in virtue and devotion, because sooner or later the pilgrim will meet God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CHAPTER 18/WEEK 18 by BTarr</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Virtue can wound us and vice can cure us&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Well, I think there is at least one place where this is true.  We can gain some victory over sin, but then becomes proud about it; forgetting to be dependent on God for further victory. In that case grace can be withdrawn enough to let us fall back into sin. This brings back contrition and repentance and a gratitude to God and can be said to be a &quot;cure&quot; for sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Virtue can wound us and vice can cure us&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Well, I think there is at least one place where this is true.  We can gain some victory over sin, but then becomes proud about it; forgetting to be dependent on God for further victory. In that case grace can be withdrawn enough to let us fall back into sin. This brings back contrition and repentance and a gratitude to God and can be said to be a &#8220;cure&#8221; for sin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CHAPTER 18/WEEK 18 by rodgerescu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a little behind and just read chapter 18 today. Three things strike me most from the chapter:
The first is that we obey everyone, superiors AND inferiors.I understand that Molinos operated inside of a religious order where there was actual rank, so this could be important in his context. I hate to think that i would consider anyone an inferior, but i fear that i do at times. So i will try to observe the way i listen to some and don&#039;t listen quite as much to others to determine who i am subtly casting in the inferior mode within my own mind.

The second is his insistence that we NOT obey unless we are willing and cheerful about it inwardly.  This forces us to deal with the real, inner issues of disobedience.

The third thing is the most interesting and possibly controversial. He says virtue can wound us. He says those who are injured by virtue are cured by vice. This requires serious consideration i think. I would love to hear what others think about this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a little behind and just read chapter 18 today. Three things strike me most from the chapter:<br />
The first is that we obey everyone, superiors AND inferiors.I understand that Molinos operated inside of a religious order where there was actual rank, so this could be important in his context. I hate to think that i would consider anyone an inferior, but i fear that i do at times. So i will try to observe the way i listen to some and don&#8217;t listen quite as much to others to determine who i am subtly casting in the inferior mode within my own mind.</p>
<p>The second is his insistence that we NOT obey unless we are willing and cheerful about it inwardly.  This forces us to deal with the real, inner issues of disobedience.</p>
<p>The third thing is the most interesting and possibly controversial. He says virtue can wound us. He says those who are injured by virtue are cured by vice. This requires serious consideration i think. I would love to hear what others think about this idea.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Week 16/Chapter 16 by BTarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good word Joe.   

I must admit that as much as I have been irritated by Evangelical unbalanced teaching they really do have a lot of good things. The monastic path would be improved by adding Protestant truths just as much as Evangelical methods would be improved by adding monastic truths.
Somebody once told me that if a person builds a bridge that it will get walked on from both sides of the river.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good word Joe.   </p>
<p>I must admit that as much as I have been irritated by Evangelical unbalanced teaching they really do have a lot of good things. The monastic path would be improved by adding Protestant truths just as much as Evangelical methods would be improved by adding monastic truths.<br />
Somebody once told me that if a person builds a bridge that it will get walked on from both sides of the river.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Week 16/Chapter 16 by rodgerescu</title>
		<link>http://newdaymonks.com/bookblog/?p=417#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>rodgerescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Molinos finally seems open to the idea of outward prayer in this chapter, saying that if it is nourishing a person, that person should do it, and that whatever is done in prayer is well done if it is done for the sake of Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molinos finally seems open to the idea of outward prayer in this chapter, saying that if it is nourishing a person, that person should do it, and that whatever is done in prayer is well done if it is done for the sake of Christ.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Random Circumstance and Purposeful Development by BTarr</title>
		<link>http://newdaymonks.com/bookblog/?p=365#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>BTarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent Joe.   Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Joe.   Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on the happy darkness by STarr</title>
		<link>http://newdaymonks.com/bookblog/?p=349#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>STarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all that Bob says above.  You are touchingly brave and honest in this post and it is clear that great things are ahead for you.  What a privilege to watch the maturation that you and God have forged in unison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all that Bob says above.  You are touchingly brave and honest in this post and it is clear that great things are ahead for you.  What a privilege to watch the maturation that you and God have forged in unison.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the happy darkness by BTarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that is an excellent post. 

Susan and I are in a Vineyard church down here in St Louis. It is a full facility church, with a broad base of church function that includes community, worship, praise, responsible life style, evangelism, teaching, etc. Compared to your church in Sprinfield though it has less emphasis on the interior side of Christianity. Your post really cuts to the heart and shows a real life example of the Molinos teaching.  So, I would say that your training is paying off. And, I believe that you and Jon will find even more reward in the future.

Thanks, Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that is an excellent post. </p>
<p>Susan and I are in a Vineyard church down here in St Louis. It is a full facility church, with a broad base of church function that includes community, worship, praise, responsible life style, evangelism, teaching, etc. Compared to your church in Sprinfield though it has less emphasis on the interior side of Christianity. Your post really cuts to the heart and shows a real life example of the Molinos teaching.  So, I would say that your training is paying off. And, I believe that you and Jon will find even more reward in the future.</p>
<p>Thanks, Bob</p>
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		<title>Comment on the happy darkness by DTarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>DTarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 02:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we were talking during a previous chapter, that&#039;s true. I took a week just to sit on it. Did I forget anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we were talking during a previous chapter, that&#8217;s true. I took a week just to sit on it. Did I forget anything?</p>
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		<title>Comment on the happy darkness by BTarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent Dianne.  Thank you much.  BTW, we had orginally been talking about chapter 7; but this sharing seems to fit chapter 8 very well too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Dianne.  Thank you much.  BTW, we had orginally been talking about chapter 7; but this sharing seems to fit chapter 8 very well too.</p>
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